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O jei paliesime ekonomiką?

Jau mėnesis laiko kaip iš galvos neina vienas klausimas - kokia ekonominė santvarka turėtų būti tautinėje valstybėje? Visada laikiau ir vis dar laikau save labai silpnu šiuo klausimu. Dar visai neseniai tik pradėjau juo domėtis. Visgi bendras vaizdas susidarė. Tiesa tvirtų pamatų nėra, esu linkęs diskutuoti.

Išsilaisvinus iš sovietų imperijos reikėjo atstatyti valstybę. Tą kartą buvo pasirinkta ne tautinės valstybės idėja, o gerovės. Gerovės valstybės sampratai aukščiausia vertybe kelia ekonomiką ir žmonių (o ne tautos) gerovę. Tiesą sakant tautai išvis ten vietos beveik neliko. Per dvidešimt laisvės metų matome naują kartą - tautinės idėjos nebuvimas, vartotojų, pramogų ir laisvės idealai, narkotikai, moralės, doros nebuvimas jau nebestebina, pažiūrėjus į šių laikų jaunimą. Gerovei nereikia tautiškumo, jis tik trugdo - kiniečių darbininkai dirba pigiau. Tai didina mūsų žmonių (vėlgi ne tautos) gerovę. Valstybei nusispjauti, kad mūsų tauta skiedžiasi.

Visai neseniai per Lietuvą nuaidėjo JDJ mitingai prieš oligarchiją. Nematau prasmės remti tokį judėjimą. Oligarchai yra visai natūrali “laisvųjų mainų” dalis. Visada bus kapitalas, kuris yra didesnis ir gali nukonkuruoti silpnesnį kapitalą. Jau net nekalbant apie pasaulio ekonomikos lyderių kapitalus. Kova prieš oligarchus primena Donkichoto kovą prieš vėjo malūnus. Ji visada bus nesėkminga. Norint tikrai padėti Lietuvai reiktų kovoti ne prieš oligarchus, o prieš pačią laisvų mainų sistemą.

Gruodžio 15d. man teko apsilankyti M.Kundroto knygos “Tauta amžių kelyje” pristatyme. Ten buvo iškelta mintis, kad dabartinė liberalioji imperialistinė europos sąjunga neišsilaikys daugiau, nei 20 metų. Buvo iškelta būtinybė tautininkams pasirengti tam ir suformuoti tautinės valstybės idėją. Kokia ekonomika turėtų lydėti tautos kelią į sėkmę?

Tikrai ne liberalioji laisvų mainų sistema. Priešingai. Jeigu laisvi mainai yra tokie geri, tai kodėl stiprios ekonominės valstybės iškilo ne laisvųjų mainų sistemos dėka? Ta pati amerika buvo protekcionistinė iki pat Amerikos industalizacijos. Anglija taip pat iškilo naudojantis būtent protekcionizmu ir jo laikėsi iki tol, kol užtikrino savo verslo lyderiavimą prieš kitus. Japonija, Korėja seniau nebuvo stiprios ekonominės valstybės. Būtent protekcionizmas joms padėjo iškilti. Laisvi mainai sugriauna nacionalinę šalies ekonomika. Užsienietiškas kapitalas sužlugdo tautinį verslą. Tautinį verslą reikia skatinti, ne žlugdyti tautinėje valstybėje. Todėl laisvų mainų sistema privalo atkristi.

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  1.   Rimantas
    Gruodis 17th, 2009 | 23:46

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  2.   mantas
    Gruodis 17th, 2009 | 23:57

    Visų pirma, “gerovės valstybėmis” yra vadinamos socialistinės valstybęs. Pvz. skandinavija. Lietuva tikrai nėra tokia.

    Kaip tik iš pradžių buvo bandoma kurti liberalią rinkos ekonomiką, vėliau įmaišyta socializmo. Lietuva nėra nei “gerovės” (Švedija), nei liberalios rinkos (Estija, US of A) valstybė. Čia yra sumaišytų abiejų tipų. Deja, neretai tik blogosios dalys.

    Antra, laisvi mainai neprieštarauja protekcionizmui. Laisvi manai nereiškia vien tik užsienio kapitalo įsileidimo. SSRS ekonomika buvo LABAI protekcionistė. Kas iš to gavosi - žinom. Reikia derinti abu dalykus. Nesakau, kad yra gerai atidaryti vidaus rinką. Muitai buvo sukurti neveltui. Bet visiškai uždarius rinką nuo konkurencijos visi ilgainiui išlempa.

    Trečia, Japonija savo ekonomiką pastatė būtent dėka laisvos rinkos. Po WWII amerikiečiai sukišo į juos krūvas pinigų, per kurį laiką jie atsistojo ant kojų ir sugebėjo pigiai gaminti ir eksportuoti gaminius į tą pačią jav bei europą. Tiesa, ilgainiui pragyvenimo lygis (ir gamybos kaštai) pakilo ir dabar jiems jau nebe taip sekasi…

    Beje, žmonės ir yra vadinami tauta.. Jei rūpintis vien “tautiškumu” ir dėt skersą ant ant žmonių gerovės, tai greitai visi žmonės išsivaikščios ir nebeliks tautos. Ne visi gali iš idėjos misti tik juoda duona ir vandeniu.

  3.   TRA
    Gruodis 18th, 2009 | 02:08

    LABAI dėkui už gerą kritiką. Sumaišiau sąvokas. Gerovės valstybe vadinau būtent tas liberalią santvarką.
    Nepritariu visiškam protekcionizmui, tačiau sveikas protekcionizmas būtų naudingas.
    “visi ilgainiui išlempa” - nesupratau, gal paaiškinti galėtum?
    Lietuvos žmonės ir lietuvių tauta yra skirtingi dalykai. Sąvoka Lietuvos žmonės apima ne tik etninę bei politinę tautą, bet ir visus kitus, gyvenančius čia. Tai - tikrai skirtingi dalykai.
    Japonijos atveju tai bent wikipedia rašo, kad ne vien JAV investicijos padėjo, bet ir valdžios protekcionizmas. Šaltinis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_post-war_economic_miracle Protekcionizmas padėjo Japonijai išsaugoti privatų sektorių ir apsaugot jį nuo krizių.
    Taip pat Korėjoja liberalizavo savo daugumą sričių tik per paskutinius metus. Tiesa žemės ūkio sritis vis dar stipriai apsaugota valstybės.

    Tautinėje valstybėje ekonomikos pasisėkimo formulė būtų turbūt tokia: gamybos didinimas, fabrikų statymas ir sunkiosios pramonės gamyba, aukštųjų technologijų gamyba. Dideli eksportai. Iš to gaunamas pelnas. Šiuo metu būsų BVP kiek žinau sudaro pagrinde paslaugų sektorius. Mano išvardintų dalykų beveik išvis nėra. Jų nebuvimas - sėkmės nebuvimas, mano manymu. Protekcionizmas apsaugo privatų kapitalą nuo bankroto, lietuviška produkcija būtų labiau konkurencinga. Protekcionizmas būtų kelias iš ekonominės krizės.

  4.   mantas
    Gruodis 19th, 2009 | 18:13

    “visi ilgainiui išlempa” - tai, kad jei žmonėms nėra stimulo dirbti, jie ir nedirbs.

    Pvz SSRS. Stimulo dirbti realiai nebuvo, tai našumas buvo labai žemas. O laisva ir konkurencinga rinka - labai geras paskatinimas. Prastai dirbsi - bankrutuosi. Dėka to atsiranda visokie išradimai ir proceso patobulinimai, kurie didina našuma, gerina prekę ir pan ir t.t.

    Japonijos atveju yra daug svarbiau natūralus protekcionizmas. Importas į salas yra ganėtinai brangesnis. Aišku, kažkiek iš valdžios irgi protekcijos yra.

    “gamybos didinimas, fabrikų statymas ir sunkiosios pramonės gamyba, aukštųjų technologijų gamyba” - tai būtų gerai, bet tai nėra tautinės valstybė. Tautinė yra valstybė, kuri sudaryta iš vienos tautos, kultūros ir kalbos. O fabrikai ir t.t. yra industrinė valstybė. Industrine gali būti tiek tautinė valstybė, tiek daugiatautė. Tiek liberali, tiek konservatyvi.

    Protekcionizmas yra gerai iki tam tikro lygio. Bet.. Pvz uždėtų obuoliams 100 litų už kilogramą muitą. Iš pradžių lietuviški obuoliai kainuotų 3 litus, importiniai - 102 (2 litai + muitas). Vėliau ūkininkai suprastų, kad gali užkelt kainas ir jiems nieko už tai nebus. Galiausiai lietuviški kainuotų 90 litų, o importiniai - 102. Manau tai nebūtų gerai…. Tad protekcionizmas turi turėti ribas…

    Protekcionizmas šiek tiek padėtų dėl krizės. Bet….. kitos šalys tada irgi užsidėtų muitus ir būtų sudėtinga eksportuoti. Aišku, didelės valstybės gali sau leisti įvesti muitus, o kiti bijotų ir neįvestų atsakomųjų muitų. Bet Lietuva tam yra per maža. Tad šitoj vietoj reiktų gerai paskaičiuoti ar tai būtų naudinga.

    Aišku, bent jau nereikėtų daryti antiprotekcionizmo, kaip daroma dabar. Kai dėl mokesčių politikos lietuviškas obuolys lenkijoje kainuoja pigiau nei Lietuvoje, tai nėra gerai…

  5.   :P
    Gruodis 21st, 2009 | 21:32

    @TRA:
    >> Tiesą sakant tautai išvis ten vietos beveik neliko.
    Man teko mokslus pradeti krimsti ka tik nepriklausomybe atgavusioje Lietuvoje. Propogandos aukstinancios tauta ir patriotizma per tuos 12 metu maciau per akis.

    >> Per dvidešimt laisvės metų matome naują kartą
    Kaip nekeista as matau naujos kartos dvilypuma - vieni yra eiliniai vartotojai plaukiantys pasroviui, kiti yra pseudo-intelektualai bandantys pudrinti smegenis vartotojams, kad tie juos palaikytu. Keista, taciau nera tarpiniu variantu. Ne keista, mat tai yra iprasta daugumai “daugumos diktaturos” (=demokratija suvokiama tik kaip ejimas prie urnos) valstybiu, yra tai, kad praktiskai nesigirdi ir nebesimato tikruju intelektualu - tikras grynas protas nesuteikia jokio privalumo tokioje sistemoje.

    >> Oligarchai yra visai natūrali “laisvųjų mainų” dalis.
    O vezys yra visai naturali zmogaus organizmo busena. Kaip vezys, taip oligarchija yra laisvos rinkos liga. Juk laisvos rinkos pagrindinis variklis yra lygiaverte daugelio rinkos subjektu konkurencija. Kuo nelygesne konkurencija, kuo maziau rinkos subjektu tuo prasciau veikia laisva rinka. Kuo prasciau veikia ekonomika, tuo prasciau gyvena eilinis zmogus nepriklausomai nuo to ar ispazysta jis nacionalizma ar ne. Taigi su oligarchija yra butina kovoti, o dar geriau neleisti oligarchija formuotis, bet to nebus, juk oligarchija yra pagrindinis valdanciu partiju finansavimo saltinis (paziurekim ta pacia JAV).

    >> Ten buvo iškelta mintis, kad dabartinė liberalioji imperialistinė europos sąjunga neišsilaikys daugiau, nei 20 metų.
    Tai nera mintis - tai yra prognoze. Idomu ar ten pagrinde kuom nors toki spejima? Tradiciskai mane domina tik ne ideologinis argumentavimas ;]

    >> Tautinėje valstybėje ekonomikos pasisėkimo formulė būtų turbūt tokia: gamybos didinimas, fabrikų statymas ir sunkiosios pramonės gamyba, aukštųjų technologijų gamyba.
    Industriniu valstybiu aukso amzius praejo - XXI amzius turetu priklausyti “mastanciai” ekonomikai. “Mastanti” ekonomika ne tik gamintu AT (detales AT irengimuose yra pigios), bet ir kurtu naujas AT (butent kurimas atnesa didesne dali pinigu, nei mechaniska gamyba). Beda tame, kad tokiai ekonomikai reikia laisvai mastancio zmogaus, kas yra sunkiai suderinima su nacionalizmo ir kokio kito ideologinio prievartavimo ideja. Beda tame, kad nuo pat nepriklausomybes atgavimo jaunimas yra ugdomas tiketi, o ne mastyti, kas bus dar vienas kliuvinys “mastancios” ekonomikos kurimui.

    @mantas:
    >> O laisva ir konkurencinga rinka - labai geras paskatinimas. Prastai dirbsi - bankrutuosi. Dėka to atsiranda visokie išradimai ir proceso patobulinimai, kurie didina našuma, gerina prekę ir pan ir t.t.
    Manau esama krize ir lipimai is jos yra puikus irodymai, kad taip nera. Kiek daug prastai dirbusiu imoniu buvo isgebeta? Vien banku kiek, dar automobiliu pramone istraukta tiek JAV, tiek Europoje.
    Isradimai taipogi randasi ne is konkurencijos. Net gi, jei rinkoje butu vienas monopolistas, jis vistiek stengtusi optimizuoti gamyba ar pristatyma - juk mazesnes gamybos islaidos, didesnis prieinamumas reiskia didesni pelna. Tad pazangos saltinis yra zmoniu godumas (pinigu ar zinojimo). TSRS buvo baudziama uz goduma pinigams, tad eiliniam zmogui matoma pazanga sustojo, taciau nebuvo bano ziniu godumui, tad fundamentalus tyrimai buvo aukstumoje.

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